tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post6936438675330235347..comments2023-05-28T04:48:05.202-04:00Comments on Hockeybums: DEVELOPING STORY: KHL PROSPECT DIES ON BENCHBrodeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02840387462622491511noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-9179257601039479972008-10-15T12:20:00.000-04:002008-10-15T12:20:00.000-04:00RSW - All valid points on your commentary about th...RSW - <BR/><BR/>All valid points on your commentary about the Russian League, and I think it is the fact that they are not a financially hurting League that makes this all the more frustrating and disturbing. Some folks will likely lose jobs but what is that by comparison? I would have imagined that in the wake of Sergei Zholtok's equally shocking collapse in Riga during the NHL lockout that teams and leagues in Russia, in general, would have prepped better for future possibilities, like requiring defibrillators in the arenas.<BR/><BR/>The Jagr thing is disturbing yet also very common in today's hideous newsworld. In a day and age when any random blogger can "break news," thereby beating actual news outlets and stealing the exclusivity, many news outlets do not properly fact check anything in their rush to get into the pile as well. News is no longer news. News is gossip and conjecture.<BR/><BR/>Jagr had essentially taken Cherepanov under his wing, many saying he was acting like an uncle to the Ranger draft pick, and that the two of them worked closely together. All the speculation of Jagr colliding with him and causing the incident, and some of the resulting foul commentary directed toward Jagr, is unfortunate and could have been totally avoided had folks properly vetted info for facts.<BR/><BR/>Coach Wayne Fleming states that it was, in fact, Jegr who signaled that something was wrong, screaming for medics after the player had collapsed. Cherepanov was sitting between he and linemate Pavol Rosa. And of course Jagr would be panicked and distressed. As the mentor of a 19 year old first round draft pick with a bright future it would shake anyone in the same position.<BR/><BR/>The KHL are investigating. The team is investigating. Igor Larionov, who helped establish the League, is shaken by the whole thing and is demanding answers. And this comes at a poor time for the KHL as Russia, in general, is trying to recapture some of its glory and its traditions. Eternally proud of their ice hockey, they wanted the KHL to shine and become more of an option for the players of Russia and Europe, convincing them to stay instead of moving to the NHL. This incident is a backward step in that process for them.<BR/><BR/>A horrible tragedy, to be sure, but all of the rampant speculation and accusations that initially flew around only serve to cheapen the story.Steve H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16017167312882900463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-78100886497675026702008-10-15T10:50:00.000-04:002008-10-15T10:50:00.000-04:00I think it's a shame that you're posting videos of...I think it's a shame that you're posting videos of someone dieing. Absolutely disgusting and disrespect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-55687910260873877392008-10-15T08:01:00.000-04:002008-10-15T08:01:00.000-04:00As we all know YouTube is not the finest destinati...As we all know YouTube is not the finest destination for even handed debate but as a writer who has been following the KHL I feel I should try to clear up some of the anti-Russian rhetoric that has been listed in the comments of these videos as well as some other issues. First and foremost the Russian government has been quick to question why no defibrillator was present at the rink, as we all know the KHL is an extremely well funded league it is just unfortunate that Cherapanov's ailment struck at one of the leagues poorest teams, there is no doubt that a defibrillator could have been indispensable in this situation, however later reports suggest that this was an cardiac arrest as a result of Ischemia, a disease which is not a condition solely of the heart. If you read reports both Omsk and Vityaz medics fought to resuscitate him succeeding a few times only for the restricted blood flow caused by Ischemia to result in it stopping again. <BR/>A number of comments were quick to criticize the lack of a stretcher, as it later turned out no ambulance was present at the game. This is a gross oversight that resulted in tragedy, that said the reason both Omsk and Vityaz doctors hauled him of the bench was to lay him somewhere flat and spacious to perform CPR, their reaction were fast and they did all they could as did the doctors at the Moscow hospital who fought to resuscitate him for an hour. <BR/>The KHL has learnt lessons the hard way and its cost a young man his life, why such contingencies were not in place is a mystery but the doctors and trainers at the game should not receive blame.<BR/>As for reports of a collision with Jagr I cannot for the life of me understand why such a story has received such credence? Is it because Jagr is a name familiar with North American fans and so the gravity of the situation had to be exacerbated by story selling conjecture? Had there been a collision so what? Had a Vityaz player landed a punishing yet clean hit on him would we all be seeking his head? Collisions are part of the game, later reports have suggested that Jagr was in conversation with the youngster, who he had almost certainly taken under his wing, before he lost consciousness, it may well have been Jagr who alerted team doctors to the situation. <BR/>Along side Bourdon and Renaud, tragedy seems to be stalking hockey players at this time.<BR/>RIP Alexei, lest we forgetRichard-Steven Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05785447853811772245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-61786101997204251382008-10-14T19:49:00.000-04:002008-10-14T19:49:00.000-04:00Yes, because your comments are SO helpful to the s...Yes, because your comments are SO helpful to the situation at hand.<BR/>(it's sarcasm. had to say that because you're too stupid to realize it yourself)<BR/><BR/>You're the one that posted all those hateful comments as anon, and now you've made a blogger account just so you can keep trolling. Give it up, no one cares.<BR/><BR/>I wish I could be an admin here and delete all the useless troll comments.Josh H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14315659386457512725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-22637336468614052522008-10-14T15:06:00.000-04:002008-10-14T15:06:00.000-04:00R.I.P. Alexei(Josh H. and G are both stupid little...R.I.P. Alexei<BR/><BR/>(Josh H. and G are both stupid little geeks and can go fuck themselves with there little "anon" comments...)Anonymous tough guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14378559878435691108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-68416795528323476472008-10-14T13:29:00.000-04:002008-10-14T13:29:00.000-04:00Jay Grossman, Cherepanov's agent, had this to say ...Jay Grossman, Cherepanov's agent, had this to say in an updated New York Times report:<BR/><BR/><I>“It doesn’t appear there was a triggering event,” said Grossman, who said he spoke to other players in the game as well as people attending it. “Obviously it was his heart that just gave way. That is pretty clear.”</I>Steve H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16017167312882900463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-78928802033487093752008-10-14T13:15:00.000-04:002008-10-14T13:15:00.000-04:00Eric Duhatschek of the Globe & Mail has a new ...Eric Duhatschek of the Globe & Mail has a new article featuring a discussion with Omsk coach Wayne Fleming. In the article, it mentions that the heart condition Cherepanov had was present from birth and had been completely undetected.<BR/><BR/>Fleming also had this to say about the incident:<BR/><BR/>(from article) <I>“It was towards the end of the third period; he'd just played a shift. Another line was just going over the boards when all of a sudden, Jaromir Jagr, started yelling. I looked to my left and Cherepanov had just collapsed back. He lost all colour. The doctor was at the far end of the bench. He came running down, as did the trainer. Everybody moved down to the far end, to give them some room.<BR/><BR/>“Then, they took him off the bench. There was an exit door about 20 yards away and they just lay him there. When the game was over, I went out and Jagr went out; he was on the ground and there were a number of what looked like medical attendants working on him, trying to get his heart going again. They would get it going; and then it would stop again.<BR/><BR/>“When they finally did get him to hospital, they had him on life support – but then they lost him.”</I>Steve H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16017167312882900463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-15336235065429763482008-10-14T12:36:00.000-04:002008-10-14T12:36:00.000-04:00It should also be pointed out in the updates that ...It should also be pointed out in the updates that all of the conjecture about his "collision with Jagr" during a line change causing this incident is wholly unfounded and is being denounced by the team and Russian news sources now. Video was taken by both teams but it has not been made public as investigators are now examining the footage to see if this reported collision occurred, but so far it has been denied. And, in any event, the medical personnel state that any contact he may have had was not a factor, instead chalking the matter up to chronic ischemia, a medical condition in which not enough blood gets to the heart or other organs.<BR/><BR/>Several news sources are now reporting that Cherepanov and Jagr were sitting side by side on the bench discussing a 2-on-1 they failed to convert when Cherepanov passed out.Steve H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16017167312882900463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-81935752953299097192008-10-14T12:27:00.000-04:002008-10-14T12:27:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Steve H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16017167312882900463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-1766090059485389472008-10-13T21:15:00.000-04:002008-10-13T21:15:00.000-04:00Yes Josh, you are right.. The "anon" thing was br...Yes Josh, you are right.. The "anon" thing was brutal..<BR/><BR/>As for Cherapanov, what a shame.. Never good when someone so young with such great promise passes on. This is the 2nd incident with the KHL this year - first it was Jussi Markkanen's son, now Cherapanov. <BR/><BR/>Thoughts and prayers go out to the "C" family..Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05395202889062182353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7446463256196245765.post-79698482486308896802008-10-13T17:39:00.000-04:002008-10-13T17:39:00.000-04:00Terrible news. I was completely shocked, as I'm su...Terrible news. I was completely shocked, as I'm sure the rest of the hockey world is/was. Alexei was a great prospect, and it's always saddening to see someone pass away at such a young age.<BR/><BR/>(by the way, good move to disallow anon's to post here, it was getting out of hand)Josh H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14315659386457512725noreply@blogger.com